I always had bad experiences with MSI products. My first motherboard died due to using an overclock preset, a factory preset which a matter of very small values which shouldn't have harmed anything, yet the mobo died of it. It was a basic MSI mobo thought but even if it had OC presets, I assumed it wasn't made for that, so I bought one from MSI again, a Z270 Gaming M3.
When I transferred my components into a new case, I pulled too hard on the 20 pin USB connector and damaged the whole USB circuit, which resulted all the USB slots being down. The connectors of the MSI mobos are really poor quality and my fingers hurted so much after unplugging all those damn cables, it felt like taking off Excalibur every time I unplugged one with my new asus mobo it was so easy, instantly felt much more qualitative and solid. Not to mention the 20 pins USB slot is not on the side but straight in front of you, which makes plugging it easier in certain cases (and more solid again).
The ASUS ROG bios is much better and user friendly than the MSI too (but the factory OC presets are supid nonsense and you don't see any of the modified values before you validate the OC, which can be quite... problematic).
My MSI GTX 1070 Gaming Z has just gone into smoke recently... at the end only my old GTX 960 survived, MSI is over for me. I believe Asus has far more experience in doing quality stuff as their product range covers plenty of stuff other brands are not even doing, such as sound cards (which are very interesting) and plenty more. Asus is globally a bit more expensive but they're worth it. Never had any issue with them.
By the way ask Prottoss how long did his all new MSI laptop last alive
Also the BIOS seems ok, there is "EZ Mode" that is more user-friendly I guess but I don't find the other one hard to get around too
For GPUs - I read online that MSI's RX 5700 XT models have problem with overheating memory if you don't apply some mod... so I stayed away from them and took Sapphire
On the topic of laptops!!!!! My brother has an MSI laptop for a very long time (over 4 years now) so there is always both sides of the story!) Think it was some 7th gen i7 at 2.5 GHz and a GTX 960M
my RAM only goes up to 3000 Mhz and my CPU only supports 2400 Mhz. The OC preset failed and I was brought back to the BIOS. Now someone that doesn't know shit about OCing or the stuff inside their computer... or both, will never figure out the issue that didn't let the pc start properly, that it came from the stupid RAM OC that didn't fit the RAM inside the computer, so it's not so "EZ"...
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you can always go back to BIOS and change the RAM frequency manually without touching CPU freq.
In general I don't trust auto preset anywhere anymore! Especially after Ryzen Master messed up my RAM timings with that """AUTO"""
yes because xmp profiles used to be an intel only feature and some ryzen cant handle them, my pc was crashing all the time @3200Mhz until i raised ddr voltage by 0.2V
its impossible to have all the knowledge as a normal consumer - its impossible to get in touch about such things
intel is plug and play and i'd say even oc is less complicated, to adjust an overclocked AMD setup is work
many of my customers recently ask for amd cpus paired with rtx cards but amd cpus are useless to work with just 2133Mhz so i have to set up the xmp profiles and hope it works, so far i only had 1 case aside from myself where the voltage had to be increased
PC1 | CPU - AMD Ryzen 5 firstname.lastname@example.orgGHz | RAM - 16GB DDR4 | GPU - AMD Radeon RX 580 8GB | OS - Windows 10 64bit
PC2 | CPU - AMD Phenom II X4 965@3,4GHz | RAM - 16GB DDR3 | GPU - Integrated AMD shit HD 3000 something | OS - Windows Server 2012 R2 64bit
not bad, my wife got a similar setup
got rtx 2070... to beat skywards score!!!
will arrive in 2-3 days yeah!
it is nothing special, just a palit dual fan card that was pretty cheap.. hopefully it fits in my itx case :/
ofc i will oc it!!
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I have finally upgraded my 10 yeard old Xeon to i7-4790K and waiting for gtx 1080 to arrive Gonna post some 3dmark results soon
the 4790K is still a 200€ cpu (used) in germany lol
people love this cpu for its high clock speeds
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