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    Quote Originally Posted by Prottoss of GZ wow View Post
    well if we are going to name things plainly then I believe coping mechanism is an ideal term in this scenario given the above exchange

    I could also argue that beauty lies with understanding that your actions have consequences and whatever you do will determine your path in life, and I would argue that we should feel pressured, we should feel overwhelmed at times, life is not about happiness and rainbows, there is struggle and evil on every corner of this planet and we as humans become better, stronger, wiser if we face this adversity of life head on as opposed to ignore it, run from it, hide from it.

    I mean I could form an echo chamber and just agree with everything you say to give you the benefit of the doubt but I think its boring and unconstructive for any sort of an interesting discussion.

    It is also worth taking into consideration that you mentioned that you are an atheist. Atheism by definition is the belief in the absence of the god or higher power. So yet your disbelief into the creator or a structure that supposedly we as humans created to "make sense" is in an actual fact a belief into the opposite direction
    Oh, i am not trying to convince you to hang on every word i say, nor am i reaching out for any validation. as you may have noticed,
    when relevant, i spoke in 'I' form.

    I have to disagree with you on the latter.
    The theory behind making sense is widely interpretable in this context.
    To me, we are our mind, we make the decisions and no one, or nothing is responsible for the aftermath that occurs after.
    "Making sense" is something we are prone to come back to (in)directly whenever and whereever the situation we find ourselfes in.
    For alot of people its easy to let this thought go and leave the cause and reasoning over to a higher power.

    Hereby i do not mean to say religious people are most likely to have a lower intellect then those who are not.
    I am even convinced, that the more you seek, and the more knowledge you gain from life itsself. The more the concept of "god" and
    science come closer to eachother. The whole meaning and context of "god" changes when you dive into the deep.

    Sorry for going off topic here a bit but i always like talking about these things

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    I always find it hard to socialise with somebody new for me. I dont really like to talk. I love it when someone understand when I say half a word. Hard to translate this from russian but I hope u get it in fact I always tend to disbelieve people at first. Some kind of paranoid maybe but I never trust anyone xd

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    Well, i think it's good to setup a defence mechanism to prevent yourself from getting hurt.
    I dont know you so i have no idea if you have been hurt frequently in the past, nor is it any of
    my buisness and i wont ask you about it.

    But having a radar for toxic people or situations is anything but a bad thing.
    And yes, i completely understand what you mean

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    I get ur opinion) for me its always like, hear an advice from women, and do right the opposite do not mean you ofc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannibal View Post
    Oh, i am not trying to convince you to hang on every word i say, nor am i reaching out for any validation. as you may have noticed,
    when relevant, i spoke in 'I' form.

    I have to disagree with you on the latter.
    The theory behind making sense is widely interpretable in this context.
    To me, we are our mind, we make the decisions and no one, or nothing is responsible for the aftermath that occurs after.
    "Making sense" is something we are prone to come back to (in)directly whenever and whereever the situation we find ourselfes in.
    For alot of people its easy to let this thought go and leave the cause and reasoning over to a higher power.

    Hereby i do not mean to say religious people are most likely to have a lower intellect then those who are not.
    I am even convinced, that the more you seek, and the more knowledge you gain from life itsself. The more the concept of "god" and
    science come closer to eachother. The whole meaning and context of "god" changes when you dive into the deep.

    Sorry for going off topic here a bit but i always like talking about these things

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    Well, i think it's good to setup a defence mechanism to prevent yourself from getting hurt.
    I dont know you so i have no idea if you have been hurt frequently in the past, nor is it any of
    my buisness and i wont ask you about it.

    But having a radar for toxic people or situations is anything but a bad thing.
    And yes, i completely understand what you mean
    you didnt go offtopic its all good

    The decisions we make, do influence actions and decisions of others, there is an aftermath of every single thing that you do, no one should be responsible for your decisions sure, but that only sounds good on paper and it is not the case in the day to day.

    Don't confuse me with a religious fanatic, the barbaric belief into the religion is not something I have, if I talk about God in my statements its more so to do with my own personal belief which has very little to do with an average person's idea of religion and God

    To add to that, I am all in for science and in fact I often make scientific arguments that correlate with the existence of God & soul
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prottoss of GZ wow View Post
    you didnt go offtopic its all good

    The decisions we make, do influence actions and decisions of others, there is an aftermath of every single thing that you do, no one should be responsible for your decisions sure, but that only sounds good on paper and it is not the case in the day to day.

    Don't confuse me with a religious fanatic, the barbaric belief into the religion is not something I have, if I talk about God in my statements its more so to do with my own personal belief which has very little to do with an average person's idea of religion and God

    To add to that, I am all in for science and in fact I often make scientific arguments that correlate with the existence of God & soul
    Interesting hypothesis, i have to admit to that.

    Having said that, i never claimed my decisions would not influence or impact others. Sure they do.
    I was more aiming at the concept of reasoning, that i am convinced, that you, and you alone, in the end,
    are the one making your decisions. Leaving environmental factors and circoumstances aside for the sake of the argument.

    And yes, it does sound good on paper, but its all one can get becouse the "truth" is beyond our comprehension.
    I emphasized truth becouse of the insignificance it offers.

    I do am curious as to what your idea of God is derived from. I genuinly am curious about it, would you mind elaborating the concept a little bit??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannibal View Post
    Interesting hypothesis, i have to admit to that.

    Having said that, i never claimed my decisions would not influence or impact others. Sure they do.
    I was more aiming at the concept of reasoning, that i am convinced, that you, and you alone, in the end,
    are the one making your decisions. Leaving environmental factors and circoumstances aside for the sake of the argument.

    And yes, it does sound good on paper, but its all one can get becouse the "truth" is beyond our comprehension.
    I emphasized truth becouse of the insignificance it offers.

    I do am curious as to what your idea of God is derived from. I genuinly am curious about it, would you mind elaborating the concept a little bit??
    Good, so we agree

    one thing we have ultimate control over is our mind

    I always strive for the objective truth regardless of how it might make someone feel, sugarcoating is not something I do

    Ah if I have to explain it fully and thoroughly, I am afraid it still might not make sense in the written format. As it is also not a simple conversation, and the one I am still struggling to fully articulate at times despite having relatively good comprehension of English. Definitely something ill have easier time doing over a face to face conversation with objective examples
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    Just to clarify. How would someone have ultimate control over their mind? Is everyone able to have that control? And what if you do drugs or have an illness,.. Do you believe that control is still there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evolta View Post
    Just to clarify. How would someone have ultimate control over their mind? Is everyone able to have that control? And what if you do drugs or have an illness,.. Do you believe that control is still there?
    You decide if you want to feel happy or sad, you decide if you want to remain fat or hit the gym, you decide if you want to drink and do drugs or pick up an active sport, you decide if you want to make a career change or remain working in the same field.

    Arguably some drugs open you up to higher understanding but I wont speak on the matter I have no experience of.

    Illness that prevents you from having control of your mind is an exception to the rule and does not apply when making a general argument.

    Point is, life is hard, but you can choose your hard
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prottoss of GZ wow View Post
    Good, so we agree

    one thing we have ultimate control over is our mind

    I always strive for the objective truth regardless of how it might make someone feel, sugarcoating is not something I do

    Ah if I have to explain it fully and thoroughly, I am afraid it still might not make sense in the written format. As it is also not a simple conversation, and the one I am still struggling to fully articulate at times despite having relatively good comprehension of English. Definitely something ill have easier time doing over a face to face conversation with objective examples

    Ah you cannot elaborate it physically nor verbally, then? Interesting.
    Striving for your (personal) truth is a good thing. But why would finding
    Your truth be a journey where you would potentially hurt somebody's feelings?

    Isnt your truth only importmant to yourself?
    To me its not beneficial to confront someone with my personal beliefs.
    Its just my view, they are not facts.
    I love a fair discussion, but i would always respect other people's personal opinions
    And beliefs.
    It doesnt affect my own opinion if it doesnt fit with somebody else's.

    No offence BTW, i am not attacking your or anything, just curious

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prottoss of GZ wow View Post
    You decide if you want to feel happy or sad, you decide if you want to remain fat or hit the gym, you decide if you want to drink and do drugs or pick up an active sport, you decide if you want to make a career change or remain working in the same field.

    Arguably some drugs open you up to higher understanding but I wont speak on the matter I have no experience of.

    Illness that prevents you from having control of your mind is an exception to the rule and does not apply when making a general argument.

    Point is, life is hard, but you can choose your hard
    Hm, i dont think i fully agree on this, but this is just a simple matter of different opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannibal View Post
    Ah you cannot elaborate it physically nor verbally, then? Interesting.
    Striving for your (personal) truth is a good thing. But why would finding
    Your truth be a journey where you would potentially hurt somebody's feelings?

    Isnt your truth only importmant to yourself?
    To me its not beneficial to confront someone with my personal beliefs.
    Its just my view, they are not facts.
    I love a fair discussion, but i would always respect other people's personal opinions
    And beliefs.
    It doesnt affect my own opinion if it doesnt fit with somebody else's.

    No offence BTW, i am not attacking your or anything, just curious

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    Hm, i dont think i fully agree on this, but this is just a simple matter of different opinion.
    I can elaborate but its something I would feel would be done better in person, very few people grasp what im talking about anyway when they ask me to explain, so its easier to keep it to myself on how I see it all working.

    Also when talking about truth, I am talking about THE truth, truth on which the objective reality is built as we know it, the same truth that states that sky is blue and grass is green and 2+2=4, thats why I said "objective". So even when talking about my beliefs, I link it all to the objective reality and when you focus your arguments an beliefs around objectivity its hard to be wrong.

    Also I would like to know why you disagree with my point about controlling your mind
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prottoss of GZ wow View Post
    I can elaborate but its something I would feel would be done better in person, very few people grasp what im talking about anyway when they ask me to explain, so its easier to keep it to myself on how I see it all working.

    Also when talking about truth, I am talking about THE truth, truth on which the objective reality is built as we know it, the same truth that states that sky is blue and grass is green and 2+2=4, thats why I said "objective". So even when talking about my beliefs, I link it all to the objective reality and when you focus your arguments an beliefs around objectivity its hard to be wrong.

    Also I would like to know why you disagree with my point about controlling your mind
    Your definition of objectivity is debatable
    As it always is for everyone.
    Objectivity is like most things, related to perception.
    For example, who says your perception is the "real one" or more to the point "the truth"?
    Another example, how do you know we are seeing the same thing when we are talking
    About the blue sky or the green grass?

    Also, since i do not know you, about your difficulty explaining your religious beliefs,
    Is it difficult becouse people just dont comprehend, or is it difficult for you to explain what
    You truly mean?

    And ah yes, the mind controll. Yes, even with mental dissabilities put aside,
    One can still feel a certain way at given times without you choosing to do so.

    Sometimes a feeling just "pops up" out of nowhere and are not sure about the cause.
    Thus, in some cases, you cannot controll it. These can vary in severity with alot of
    People not even recognizing these feelings as they give it no second thought.

    If this was related to a mental illness it could be put aside, but it is not. There is only
    So little known about the human mind. How it works, to fully comprehend its potential.

    So no, i dont think that as an individual without any mental illness, you are fully 100% in controll
    Of your thoughts all the time. No matter how small the counterpart may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannibal View Post
    Your definition of objectivity is debatable
    As it always is for everyone.
    Objectivity is like most things, related to perception.
    For example, who says your perception is the "real one" or more to the point "the truth"?
    Another example, how do you know we are seeing the same thing when we are talking
    About the blue sky or the green grass?

    Also, since i do not know you, about your difficulty explaining your religious beliefs,
    Is it difficult becouse people just dont comprehend, or is it difficult for you to explain what
    You truly mean?

    And ah yes, the mind controll. Yes, even with mental dissabilities put aside,
    One can still feel a certain way at given times without you choosing to do so.

    Sometimes a feeling just "pops up" out of nowhere and are not sure about the cause.
    Thus, in some cases, you cannot controll it. These can vary in severity with alot of
    People not even recognizing these feelings as they give it no second thought.

    If this was related to a mental illness it could be put aside, but it is not. There is only
    So little known about the human mind. How it works, to fully comprehend its potential.

    So no, i dont think that as an individual without any mental illness, you are fully 100% in controll
    Of your thoughts all the time. No matter how small the counterpart may be.
    Objectivity is not debatable and there is no my objectivity, there is just objectivity and thats it

    2+2=4 and in no other perception is it or will it ever be something else.

    Sure in case of colours, some people are colour blind and cannot see green (for example) but that is exception to the rule as most people comprehend green as green and when making an argument you have to generalize

    Regarding feelings - you might not control the feeling (lets say sadness) that pops into your head but you can control how you react to it. Its what you do regardless of how you feel is what truly matters and thats where the absolute control comes from. You can be sad and bitch about it and lay in bed watch netflix and order a pizza or you can get up do the shit you are supposed to do, hit the gym, do some work, listen to a podcast, get your house in order, and carry on doing what you are supposed to do until you are not sad anymore, feelings are temporary
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    Why do I have a feeling that Cannibal is Prottoss's second account? Really looks like Prott is talking to himself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken View Post
    Why do I have a feeling that Cannibal is Prottoss's second account? Really looks like Prott is talking to himself
    Forsaken please, there are already so much conspiracy theories and mysterious things happen on Gamezone.
    We dont need more xD


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    Quote Originally Posted by Milena View Post
    Forsaken please, there are already so much conspiracy theories and mysterious things happen on Gamezone.
    We dont need more xD
    No offence ofc it only looks so from my side xd
    Just put a big hyu on moy opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forsaken View Post
    No offence ofc it only looks so from my side xd
    Just put a big hyu on moy opinion
    Seems u are like same overthinker, analyzer and sceptical person as I am


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    Quote Originally Posted by Milena View Post
    Seems u are like same overthinker, analyzer and sceptical person as I am
    if those were true, you would be living a different life and not pouring so much effort into this forum
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