What is your life philosophy?

[Cannibal]

Objectivity is not debatable and there is no my objectivity, there is just objectivity and thats it

2+2=4 and in no other perception is it or will it ever be something else.

Sure in case of colours, some people are colour blind and cannot see green (for example) but that is exception to the rule as most people comprehend green as green and when making an argument you have to generalize

Regarding feelings - you might not control the feeling (lets say sadness) that pops into your head but you can control how you react to it. Its what you do regardless of how you feel is what truly matters and thats where the absolute control comes from. You can be sad and bitch about it and lay in bed watch netflix and order a pizza or you can get up do the shit you are supposed to do, hit the gym, do some work, listen to a podcast, get your house in order, and carry on doing what you are supposed to do until you are not sad anymore, feelings are temporary

Actually, objectivity as a concept is debatable. Becouse its man made, perceptionwise. What you see is what your brain interpretes of it, therefore objectivity is not a fact. Even if every person "sees" it that way, doesnt make it a fact


And i wasnt talking about mental or physical shortcomings, perception or interpretation is not in the same ballpark as "truth or facts".

And you talk about generalization, but again, generalization is just a big pile of the same individual agreed upon opinions. Or theorys if you will

The last part i would semi agree with

And you mention "what we are supposed to do, but ill let that one slide becouse not every detail is worth
Discussing imo

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Why do I have a feeling that Cannibal is Prottoss's second account? Really looks like Prott is talking to himself

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if those were true, you would be living a different life and not pouring so much effort into this forum

No offence Protoss, but, i cannot disagree more to this statement? Care to elaborate ?

[Evolta]

if those were true, you would be living a different life and not pouring so much effort into this forum

So you first claim is that Milena's life doesn't correspond with her characteristics and you claim that those characteristics say anything about effort people can put into a serious sam forum's?

Where on earth did you find any arguments that can support your claims? For now everything 'smart' you try to say gets nullified by such random statements

[Prottoss of GZ wow]

So you first claim is that Milena's life doesn't correspond with her characteristics and you claim that those characteristics say anything about effort people can put into a serious sam forum's?

Where on earth did you find any arguments that can support your claims? For now everything 'smart' you try to say gets nullified by such random statements

relax chief and let me poke

[Cannibal]

relax chief and let me poke

Honestly this, to me, looked a little bit more like a hostile snap then a simple "poke'

[Prottoss of GZ wow]

Actually, objectivity as a concept is debatable. Becouse its man made, perceptionwise. What you see is what your brain interpretes of it, therefore objectivity is not a fact. Even if every person "sees" it that way, doesnt make it a fact


And i wasnt talking about mental or physical shortcomings, perception or interpretation is not in the same ballpark as "truth or facts".

And you talk about generalization, but again, generalization is just a big pile of the same individual agreed upon opinions. Or theorys if you will

The last part i would semi agree with

And you mention "what we are supposed to do, but ill let that one slide becouse not every detail is worth
Discussing imo

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No offence Protoss, but, i cannot disagree more to this statement? Care to elaborate ?

Ok if you can disprove examples of objective reality such as the laws of physics upon which this universe is built ill agree that objectivity is relative

But lets make it more simple, prove to me that 2+2 does not equal to 4 and Ill say that objectivity is relative

But here is the thing, objectivity cannot be relative because it is what is and not what you perceive, what you perceive is subjectivity, thats why there is a subjective opinion and objective opinion, one that you think and one that simply IS

You have to generalize when making a point and it has nothing to do with people agreeing with an opinion. You are making a ridiculous statement and ill explain why:

If I asked you how many eyes does a human have? The answer is 2 right? Like sure some people are born with 1 eye or lose an eye or lose both eyes or born without eyes, but GENRALLY we are all born with 2 eyes, so this is an example of an argument based on generality, ask anyone how many eyes human has and the answer will 2 9/10 times, the 1/10 times it will be someone who likes to make arguments for the exception of the rule like yourself

Also point about Milena is a little poke, we go way back

[Cannibal]

Ok if you can disprove examples of objective reality such as the laws of physics upon which this universe is built ill agree that objectivity is relative

But lets make it more simple, prove to me that 2+2 does not equal to 4 and Ill say that objectivity is relative

But here is the thing, objectivity cannot be relative because it is what is and not what you perceive, what you perceive is subjectivity, thats why there is a subjective opinion and objective opinion, one that you think and one that simply IS


You have to generalize when making a point and it has nothing to do with people agreeing with an opinion. You are making a ridiculous statement and ill explain why:

If I asked you how many eyes does a human have? The answer is 2 right? Like sure some people are born with 1 eye or lose an eye or lose both eyes or born without eyes, but GENRALLY we are all born with 2 eyes, so this is an example of an argument based on generality, ask anyone how many eyes human has and the answer will 2 9/10 times, the 1/10 times it will be someone who likes to make arguments for the exception of the rule like yourself

Also point about Milena is a little poke, we go way back

Your simple math equation doesnt exist. You are making this to easy for me hehe. 2+2 is only 4 becouse we made it so.
Thus, objectivity is relative.

Also, i think you are missing the point entirely. There is Objectivity as a concept and percievement,
And there is objectivity as a mathematical measurement. I think you are confusing the 2 from time
To time Also, you seem to shift your opinion slightly back and forth sometimes.


I do however admit that opinion wasnt the right word tho. But other than that you're way off

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Your simple math equation doesnt exist. You are making this to easy for me hehe. 2+2 is only 4 becouse we made it so.
Thus, objectivity is relative.

Also, i think you are missing the point entirely. There is Objectivity as a concept and percievement,
And there is objectivity as a mathematical measurement. I think you are confusing the 2 from time
To time Also, you seem to shift your opinion slightly back and forth sometimes.


I do however admit that opinion wasnt the right word tho. But other than that you're way off

Concerning Milena, i still havent got an awnser?

[Prottoss of GZ wow]

Your simple math equation doesnt exist. You are making this to easy for me hehe. 2+2 is only 4 becouse we made it so.
Thus, objectivity is relative.

Also, i think you are missing the point entirely. There is Objectivity as a concept and percievement,
And there is objectivity as a mathematical measurement. I think you are confusing the 2 from time
To time Also, you seem to shift your opinion slightly back and forth sometimes.


I do however admit that opinion wasnt the right word tho. But other than that you're way off

We live in a mathematical universe, we did not invent maths, we discovered maths, so 2+2=4 is what it is OBJECTIVELY not because we made it so I was beginning to think I am going to have an intellectual discussion finally but it seems feelings persevered over reality once again

Objectivity has nothing to do with what you think you are perceiving, thats what subjectivity is for

2+2=4 - Objectivity
Biden is a good president - Subjectivity

I was beginning to like you Cannibal

[Cannibal]

We live in a mathematical universe, we did not invent maths, we discovered maths, so 2+2=4 is what it is OBJECTIVELY not because we made it so I was beginning to think I am going to have an intellectual discussion finally but it seems feelings persevered over reality once again

Objectivity has nothing to do with what you think you are perceiving, thats what subjectivity is for

2+2=4 - Objectivity
Biden is a good president - Subjectivity

I was beginning to like you Cannibal

Again, 2+2=4 doesnt exist outside of our mind Thus, not objective
Math is a language we invented to calculate the universe to see it in
Perspective the way we see fit and does not rise above our comprehension.
I think you are not fully understanding the difference between our ego
And the universe as it is. Correct me if im wrong.

And what makes you think i got personal with you? I am just asking you questions.
If i disagree i awnser, isnt that what discussing is all about?
This is just your interpretation my words to percieve them as hostile and personal.

[Evolta]

Again, 2+2=4 doesnt exist outside of our mind Thus, not objective
Math is a language we invented to calculate the universe to see it in
Perspective the way we see fit and does not rise above our comprehension.
I think you are not fully understanding the difference between our ego
And the universe as it is. Correct me if im wrong.

You are wrong :p

[Cannibal]

You are wrong :p

Well shit, im baffled

[Evolta]

I understand that 2+2=4 is only so because we decided that+ is an accumulation symbol and we decided to write numbers like that. That men decided upon these things and that there are maybe other ways to write the same equation or the same symbols could be given other meanings doesn't mean it's not objectively anymore. Because if we both apply the same set of rules we get the same result.

Biden is a good president is simply wrong. That's also a fact. A good president plays Serious Sam and writes comments about complex mathematical equations that with the help of wolframalpha proved to equal 4.

I do feel that we sidetracked from the idea of this thread into a semantic discussion that didn't really contribute to the essence of this thread.

[Cannibal]

I understand that 2+2=4 is only so because we decided that+ is an accumulation symbol and we decided to write numbers like that. That men decided upon these things and that there are maybe other ways to write the same equation or the same symbols could be given other meanings doesn't mean it's not objectively anymore. Because if we both apply the same set of rules we get the same result.

Biden is a good president is simply wrong. That's also a fact. A good president plays Serious Sam and writes comments about complex mathematical equations that with the help of wolframalpha proved to equal 4.

I do feel that we sidetracked from the idea of this thread into a semantic discussion that didn't really contribute to the essence of this thread.

On the contrary imo, I think a discussion about the variety of philosophies is interesting, and somewhat educational with the right attitude and intentions.
As soon as we feel personally attacked or offended we tend to lose track. I personally did not experience this.

And about equations, you said it yourself in the end already, we give meanings by ourselfes

Also, the whole concept of equations is not a real thing either
This is yet another example of making sense of things by dissecting
Them using these so called equations.

And we are afcourse happy that we invented these things to try to understand the universe
By exploring it with math as a metaphorical language

[Prottoss of GZ wow]

Ill say once again, we did not invent maths, we discovered it

How we draw the symbols does not takeaway the result that will be given

Its like Hello in English and Hello in Chinese still means hello

I was trying to use simple examples and talk in simple terms but I am not sure I want to continue conversation with someone that believes & states multiple times that maths is not objective

[Evolta]

Mathematics is widely regarded as an objective and universal language. The principles and concepts of mathematics exist independently of human invention, and they are discovered through logical reasoning and observation of the natural world.

Mathematical symbols and notations, on the other hand, are indeed human inventions created to represent mathematical ideas and facilitate communication. The specific symbols used to express mathematical concepts may vary across different cultures and languages, but the underlying principles remain the same.

When we say that we "invented" mathematics, we are referring to the development of mathematical notation and systems to formalize and express mathematical ideas. However, the mathematical concepts themselves, such as numbers, geometric shapes, and mathematical relationships, are inherent features of the universe that exist independently of human invention.

The example you provided about "Hello" in different languages is not directly applicable to the nature of mathematics. While the word "Hello" may have different phonetic or written representations in various languages, it still represents the same basic greeting. In contrast, mathematical concepts like addition, subtraction, or the Pythagorean theorem have precise and unambiguous definitions that remain consistent regardless of the language or symbols used to express them.

So, in summary, mathematics is considered to be a universal and objective discipline, rooted in the discovery of fundamental principles and relationships that exist independently of human invention. The symbols and notations we use to represent and communicate mathematical ideas may vary, but the underlying concepts remain constant.

[Prottoss of GZ wow]

Mathematics is widely regarded as an objective and universal language. The principles and concepts of mathematics exist independently of human invention, and they are discovered through logical reasoning and observation of the natural world.

Mathematical symbols and notations, on the other hand, are indeed human inventions created to represent mathematical ideas and facilitate communication. The specific symbols used to express mathematical concepts may vary across different cultures and languages, but the underlying principles remain the same.

When we say that we "invented" mathematics, we are referring to the development of mathematical notation and systems to formalize and express mathematical ideas. However, the mathematical concepts themselves, such as numbers, geometric shapes, and mathematical relationships, are inherent features of the universe that exist independently of human invention.

The example you provided about "Hello" in different languages is not directly applicable to the nature of mathematics. While the word "Hello" may have different phonetic or written representations in various languages, it still represents the same basic greeting. In contrast, mathematical concepts like addition, subtraction, or the Pythagorean theorem have precise and unambiguous definitions that remain consistent regardless of the language or symbols used to express them.

So, in summary, mathematics is considered to be a universal and objective discipline, rooted in the discovery of fundamental principles and relationships that exist independently of human invention. The symbols and notations we use to represent and communicate mathematical ideas may vary, but the underlying concepts remain constant.

mic drop

I understand that the example with "greeting" could have been better but the thought process can be understood